To give a response here, now, I am using thought in the form of words, ideas, and they are put out there to read, hear. There is also thought which occupies my mind. An inner voice. It is not that I don't hear this inner voice but that it is an experience which I usually don't distinguish from the overall experience. So whereas I understand when I am thinking about something, talking, writing, reading and so on as a normal experience using thought, there is a deeper experience where thought is also operating. I don't recognise this deeper experience of thought as a thought operation, but think of it as my complete self.

With attention, listening , I become aware of the inner voice, just for what it is, as thought. There is no difference between the inner and the outer experience. So it becomes clear I am observing what is a larger experience than just the inner voice, which till then had been a reality dominated by thought. I am otherwise under the impression, falsely, that there is a complete reality in my thoughts. This partial reality of a dominant thought is observable, in the sense we are now aware of the inner experience of thought as being a smaller function in a broader experience. It is noted that there is this smaller thought function, and so it is simply functioning, mechanical. When this is noted there is new understanding of thought, and of course a different relationship with it. Rather than thought leading, formulating, reacting, we are now looking at what is. That is not to say we still don't react, but we are not reacting from thought.

Awareness is. What is, is me.

I see the centre is the source of disorder wherever it moves - in relationship, in thought, in action, in perception. There is the perceiver and the perceived. So, wherever the centre operates, moves, functions, has its momentum, there must be division, conflict and all the rest of it. Where there is the centre, there is disorder. Disorder is the centre. How are you aware? A disordered mind is always seeking, wanting. Is the centre aware of the disorder or is there only disorder? If there is no centre to be aware of disorder, there is complete order. Then the fragments come to an end, obviously, because there is no centre which is making the fragments. Then, without disorder, without a center, awareness is.

The forgotten teacher.

Fundamentally whether there is a universal truth, a limitless reality, or whatever, is obviously going to be a matter for you alone to comprehend. It is by its own virtue, not individuated. I suppose the point is though so many are living in ignorance and are subjected, that there is a sufferance. Can you really imagine being able to pluck someone out of all that and by discourse change their minds? The teaching that is needed is not about minds, it is not about individuals, on differences or uniqueness, it is about the actuality of the universal. Not to make this a belief system, which will always reduce everything down to common or uncommon factors, a world teacher would better teach how to expose belief, authority, and the mechanisms of the mind. That is a matter of fact. The universe, that's what I call it, is simply there.

Yes I see the difference. But then we maintain that there is you and there is I, the responder and the respondee, don't we? They is the third person plural pronoun, or the collective impersonal. I use it figuratively speaking so as not to offend. I could have said- you, but not you personally. I think the use of the word 'thought' can be just as problematic in making the topic remote and detached. It is an abstract. We are thinking from a center looking outwardly and have a perception which projects. The task is to see that, not as an abstract, but as an actual delusion.

In dialogue are we talking about a fact? See the fact. It's there or it isn't. No process of thinking is involved. See it for yourself. Still there is the speaker. We want to know how the speaker arrived, intellectually, to point at the fact. We want to understand the process. We can only do this with thought. Fact. Just see the fact.